To push down trade that far, you need widespread "super manufacturing" -- nanotech, 3D printers, all-robot workforces, or the like. And any of those break the Trav background much worse than do big container ships. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote: > This email was sent from yahoo.com which does not allow forwarding of emails via email lists. Therefore the sender's email address (xxxxxx@yahoo.com) has been replaced with a dummy one. The original message follows: > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 8/25/14, Kelly St. Clair <xxxxxx@efn.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [TML] expected ship traffic > To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com > Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 12:57 PM > > On 8/25/2014 12:19 PM, > Phil Pugliese (via tml list) wrote: > > > This email was sent from yahoo.com which does not allow > forwarding of emails via email lists. Therefore the > sender's email address (xxxxxx@yahoo.com) > has been replaced with a dummy one. The original message > follows: > > > > Actually, > there's another issue. > > > > I just don't believe that there would > be *that* much trade volume on even the *heaviest* > routes. > > > > I mean > anyone can produce a table that will indicate that there > will a gazillion dTons 'tween here & there but > anyone else can also produce one that will show almost > nothing in the same situation. From what I've read it > appears that T5 leans heavily towards the latter rather than > the former but haven't there been differences amongst > each morph of Trav in this regard? > > > > I can remember reading about that on this > very list, back in first 1/2 of the '90's. > > Someone, in response to a question, posted > about how MT changed the 3I (or TU, can't remember > exactly) from a setting of smaller merchantmen to one of > massively gigantic ones. > > > > Still, that's where the 17th century > maritime analogy, that has always been the template for the > TU from the beginning, comes in. > > Esp by > the late 18th century you had the monster warships w/ > smaller merchantmen. > > > > Then there's also the comm lag. > > > > Obviously that's > not present these days so how would that affect things? > > I think it would argue for smaller ship > & more frequent visits. > > The "Age of Sail" analogy can only be > pushed so far before it breaks. > (And I > think that Weber did just that with his HH books. :) > > I mean, we're not building > these starships out of bonded superdense oak, > with ultrabronze cannons loaded with laser > grapeshot. Nor is the frozen > watch at > risk of developing scurvy. > > We can fudge the feel a bit, with > "mains" and terrain chokepoints and > no-comms-faster-than-travel and all that, but > what's unavoidable is that > the scale is > many orders of magnitude greater. We're not dealing > with > regions on one world, but multiple > worlds, thousands of them, some of > them > exceeding even 2014 Earth in terms of population, > technology, > industry/production volume, > etc. > > Back in 1650, sure, > you probably could fit all of Puerto Rico's incoming > and outgoing cargo for a week into a handful of > caravels. I'm willing > to bet that its > volume of shipping today is "somewhat" higher. > :/ > > > Kelly St. > Clair > xxxxxx@efn.org > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I, myself, have also previously expressed the opinion concerning "pushing the analogy". > > So then what it comes down to, IMO, is this; > > How would the super-tech (compared to the present day) levels w/i the TU affect trade volume? > > IMO it would be much, much lower than MT levels. > > And, from what I've read, T5 seems to indicate that it's even lower still. > > =========================================================== > ----- > The Traveller Mailing List > Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml > Report problems to xxxxxx@travellercentral.com > To unsubscribe from this list please goto > http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=PltOdItWBSgOP4y0Q6abkGbDI1eus0lz -- Craig Berry (http://google.com/+CraigBerry) "Eternity is in love with the productions of time." - William Blake