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Finding transport
David Shaw
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Richard Aiken
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Richard Aiken
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Ethan McKinney
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Thomas Jones-Low
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Ethan McKinney
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Richard Aiken
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Bruce Johnson
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Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 20:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
sjard
(06 May 2015 20:48 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 20:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Thomas Jones-Low
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Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 21:24 UTC)
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Thomas Jones-Low
(06 May 2015 21:33 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 21:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Kelly St. Clair
(06 May 2015 22:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 22:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 00:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 00:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 03:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
shadow@xxxxxx
(16 Apr 2020 21:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 00:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Bruce Johnson
(07 May 2015 14:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 16:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(07 May 2015 16:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 17:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(08 May 2015 00:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(08 May 2015 00:48 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(08 May 2015 01:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Bruce Johnson
(08 May 2015 15:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(08 May 2015 16:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(09 May 2015 07:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(09 May 2015 10:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(15 Apr 2020 23:33 UTC)
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Kenneth Barns
(16 Apr 2020 23:17 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(17 Apr 2020 14:36 UTC)
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Kenneth Barns
(18 Apr 2020 03:18 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(18 Apr 2020 04:53 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(18 Apr 2020 17:41 UTC)
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Kenneth Barns
(19 Apr 2020 02:02 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(21 Apr 2020 19:42 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(24 Apr 2020 07:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(24 Apr 2020 18:19 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(08 May 2015 16:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(06 May 2015 23:58 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(07 May 2015 00:08 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 00:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(07 May 2015 07:07 UTC)
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TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Greg Nokes
(07 May 2015 15:22 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
shadow@xxxxxx
(07 May 2015 23:49 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Phil Pugliese
(08 May 2015 15:55 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Richard Aiken
(08 May 2015 00:04 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Phil Pugliese
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
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This is the OTU depicted as a single planet.
I contend that such an analogy, while having some validity, is simply too simplistic for large-scale wide-spread application to such a gigantic expanse as the OTU.
But then, I do NOT like 'monster' merchant ships, obviously others do.
Also, there's the old, old canon that the OTU represents the 'Age of Sail' & NOT the post-container cargo ship 20th century.
(A point that I suspect DGP was NOT aware of)
I recall reading am article about the big 'ships-of-the-line' back in the 18th century where it was stated that merchant ships were no where near that large.
So, it all really comes down a case of personal preference.
It was more than 20 years ago that I read a post here on the TML where the author compered the various morphs of the OTU as it progressed from CT to MT to TNE. He spent quite a bit of space detailing how much trade concepts changed.
It's still just a matter of personal preference...
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On Wed, 5/6/15, sjard <xxxxxx@emerytelcom.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [TML] Finding transport
To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 1:48 PM
Also consider
that here on earth today,
almost every large passenger service overbooks.
Airlines, cruise
ships, buses, etc. Usually this doesn't cause
problems because
they overbook by the margin of no-shows. But sometimes
everyone
shows up, and then something has to be figured out.
In Traveller, that's where I see the major
passenger pool for Free
Traders coming from. Those who don't want to wait
too long to
travel, but have been bumped due to overbooking.
That, or people like me. If given the choice and time
isn't an
issue, I'll take the train (several days) instead
of flying
(couple of hours), simply because I like that mode of
travel.
On 5/6/2015 2:33 PM, Craig Berry wrote:
I agree that "big trade" is
the only reasonable
model. The bush pilot or charter service analogy is
spot on.
Between major hubs, essentially all traffic goes on
scheduled
liners (akin to commercial jet traffic in the modern
developed
world). Out in the less populated "wilds",
there might be
occasional scheduled runs, but there's a lot
more room for
entrepreneurs to nab what little passenger traffic
exists. And
even between hubs, you'll occasionally find a
passenger who
simply can't wait a day for the Tukera liner;
she needs to be in
the ducal court at Mora in 7 days, not 8. And that
sure sounds
like an adventure seed right there. :)
On Wed, May 6,
2015 at 1:22 PM, Bruce
Johnson <xxxxxx@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
wrote:
> On May 6, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Richard
Aiken <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Ethan
McKinney <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The actual number of hulls going back and
forth isn't
going to increase at the same rate as the
increase in
passenger traffic because the size of the
hulls is also
going to increase with traffic volume.
>
>
> Wouldn't there also be jump lag
involved? E.g. it
would take time for it to become known that
Route X needed
more passage space, while Route Y didn't
need as much.
>
Again, we’re running into the issue of
is the OTU
small trade or big trade.
All of the trade rules in all the supplements
are oriented
towards PC scale ships; ie: free traders.
If there’s a LOT of trade between systems in
the OTU, then
pretty much any passage you ant is available,
presuming the
systems in question are large enough to warrant
the traffic.
Akin to airline travel in the US today. The
PC-scale stuff
is equivalent small single aircraft bush pilots
or charters,
which is all well and fine, but I don’t hire a
bush pilot to
fly between NY and London.
If not, travel on small PC-scale ships is all
there is.
(and I contend that the OTU simply could not
exist with so
little trade between systems).
--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
Institutions do not have opinions, merely
customs
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