Apologies for length - the tail of this post is a timeline On 29/8/20 2:08 am, Thomas RUX wrote: > Morning (7:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time) kaladorn and Alex, > > My apologies for the delay in replying unfortunately one of the factors is that I'm just not as fast as I used to be in replying. Da Famous Tom R, Growing old disgracefully? > <snip> >>> I figured the IW period put us at about the point where we could, >>> reasonably, start to see things in other star systems. That might also >>> imply a minimum TL to be doing that effectively (you can try earlier, >>> but your resolution and accuity go up as your sensors get better). And >>> of course, being able to mix optical with various multi-spectral >>> sensors and any emissions you detect would help in determining what >>> systems contained. >>> >>> I think by about 2200, assuming we don't go all Deep Impact, >>> Interstellar, Independence Day, or Twilight 2020, we ought to be able >>> to see into other systems with a decent amount of return on the time >>> and effort. Of course, nothing takes away the fact that any intel you >>> get will be (distance in light years) years old by the time you see >>> it. Your intel may be very accurate, but the speed of light says it >>> may be quite dated (which means jumping in could find something >>> entirely other). >>> <snip> >>> Tom B / kaladorn >>> (I will sign like this hereafter just to be distinct from Thomas Rux) > I thought Tom Rux was distinct from TomB? If you start going meta, we'll be here all bloody week. >> Don't I feel like a right pillock. >> >> That'll learn me not to hack and post to the TML at the same time - at >> least for the next 20 minutes or so. >> >> Seems that writing an invariant checker pings some of the same neurons >> in my noggin as distinguishing between Da Famous Tom R and Tom B/kaladorn. >> >> Keep in mind that PA is in the _early_ IW period - the TC has just >> formed, those who were in primary school when Strider et al buggered off >> have yet to reach flag rank, there are no known Terran-Vilani hybrids, >> the AZS is still quite capable of administering a proper and thorough >> shoeing to the TCN, etc. > Alex can you provide the MgT books that have a timeline I can look at please > > Digging into the CT books Alien Module 6 (AM6) Solomani, MT Referee's Companion (MTRC) and MT Imperial Encyclopedia (MTIE) provides the following dates. I cross checked with Donal McKinney's Timeline too. > > Imperial -2508 UNSCA established (AM6 p. 12) > Imperial -2431 J1 developed (AM6 p. 12) > Imperial -2408 1st IW begins (AMD 6 p. 12 and AD 2118 AM6 p. 5) > Imperial -2400 UN change to United Worlds (AM6 p. 5) > Imperial -2400 1st IW ends (AM6 p. 5) > Imperial -2398 Terran Confederation founded (CT AM6 p. 12) > Imperial -2398 Terrans discover Jump 2 (MTRC p. 34) > Imperial -2210 Terrans discover Jump 3 (MTRC p. 34) > Imperial -2204 Terran Confederation dissolved (CT AM6 p. 5) > Imperial -2204 The Rule of Man (CT AM6 p. 12) > > Tom Rux > ----- For initial timeline, I've been using GURPS Traveller: Interstellar Wars - I've been mining the trade systems out of it (as suggested by Collision Collinson), and have hoicked the canon timeline out the window in 2125/2126 AD with Milford, Moustache et al discovering the rogue gas dwarf Teapot (an IMTU production), permitting a Terran breakout from the Terran pocket over 100 years ahead of when it happened canonically. It seems that GT:IW diverges somewhat on the timing from the older material: (Taking Imperial 0 as 4521 AD - refs are GT:IW unless noted) 2015 AD / -2506 Imperial: UNSCA established (p21) 2052 AD / -2469 Imperial: Terran development of contragrav (p22) 2064 AD / -2457 Imperial: Terran development of reactionless thrusters (p22) 2088 AD / -2433 Imperial: Terran development of J-0, become major race (p22) 2092 AD / -2429 Imperial: Terran development of J-1 (p22) 2097 AD / -2424 Imperial: Strider et al bugger off to Barnard (p23) 2114 AD / -2407 Imperial: IW 1 breaks out (p25) 2122 AD / -2399 Imperial: IW 1 ends (p25), UN change of name to United Worlds Organisation (p26) 2124 AD / -2397 Imperial: Terran development of J-2 (p26), UWO change of name to Terran Confederation (p26) 2125 AD / -2396 Imperial: IW 2: Electric Boogaloo breaks out (p27) 2134 AD / -2387 Imperial: IW 2: Electric Boogaloo ends (p27) 2145 AD / -2376 Imperial: IW 3 breaks out (p27) 2148 AD / -2373 Imperial: AZS fleet bombardment of Terra (p28) 2156 AD / -2365 Imperial: Nusku captured by Terran forces (p29), IW 3 ends (p28) 2173 AD / -2348 Imperial: IW 4 breaks out (p32) 2175 AD / -2347 Imperial: ZS forces recapture Nusku (p32) 2176 AD / -2345 Imperial: IW 4 ends (p32), IW 5 breaks out (p32) 2183 AD / -2332 Imperial: Terran forces recapture Nusku (p32) 2186 AD / -2335 Imperial: IW 5 ends (p32) 2195 AD / -2326 Imperial: IW 6 breaks out (p33) 2201 AD / -2320 Imperial: IW 6 ends (p33), IW 7 breaks out (p34) 2206 AD / -2314 Imperial: Alternate In-text date for IW 7 breakout (p34) 2214 AD / -2307 Imperial: IW 7 ends (p34) 2228 AD / -2293 Imperial: IW 8 breaks out (p35) 2231 AD / -2288 Imperial: Terran forces under Manuel Albadassadawi capture Dingir, capital of the ZS Rim Province Date unknown, but within IW 8: Terran development of J-3 (p36) Date unknown, but within IW 8: Terran development of meson weapons (p36) 2238 AD / -2283 Imperial: IW 8 ends (p35), TCN overhauled to utilise J-3 and meson bang bangs (p 36) 2242 AD / -2279 Imperial: Manuel Albadassadawi takes command of TCN Between 2238 AD and 2245 AD: ZS Core Fleet dispatched from Vland to wtfpwn upstart Terrans (p36) 2245 AD / -2276 Imperial: ZS Core fleet reaches Shulgiasu 2246 AD / -2275 Imperial: IW 9 breaks out (p36) 2256 AD / -2265 Imperial: Albadassadawi deploys meson-armed J-3 ships against ZS Core Fleet and delivers wtfpwnage (p37), IW 9 ends (p36), Albadassadawi retires from TCN (p37) 2256 AD / -2265 Imperial: Continuous warfare breaks out between Terran Confederation and Ziru Sirka 2288 AD / -2233 Imperial: Terran forces conquer former Rim Province, former provincial governor dies as honoured guest of TCN (p39) 2303 AD / -2218 Imperial: Ziru Sirka collapses/surrenders to Terran Confederation (p40) 2317 AD / -2204 Imperial: TCN Secretariat puts pants on head, transfers rule of former ZS territories directly to Terra (MGT1 AM 5: Solomani, pp 57-59), brassed-off TCN head honcho Hiroshi Estigarribia mounts coup, dissolves TCN, declares 2I/Rule Of Man (MGT1 AM5: Solomani, p59) Alex
