On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 09:10:53AM -0500, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote: > Yes, what I was trying to say is that with Jump, there's never time > dilation due to relativistic speed.... so a lot of the causality > breaking stuff doesn't seem to break. They do break relativity or causality, but in a more subtle way. Relativity says that the laws of physics are the same from the point of view of any inertial observer. In particular, if a ship can go into jump, and emerge 3 parsecs forward in space and 1 week forward in time, then it doesn't matter what speed it was moving. The trouble is that in relativity, the location of "3 parsecs and 1 week forward" varies. The most obvious example is that ships facing in different directions will disagree on what direction "forward" is. If they're facing the same direction but have different starting velocities, it is less obvious but still not hard to see that they will disagree on where "3 parsecs in 1 week" is. After all, if they hadn't jumped then they'd each consider themselves to be "at rest" in different locations in 1 week. If you displace 3 parsecs from there, you get 2 different exit points. Not at all obvious if you haven't studied relativity is that they will disagree on *when* "3 parsecs in 1 week" is. Velocities in relativity behave like angles in spacetime, and a small angle over a very long interval can result in large differences in the endpoint. "3 parsecs and 1 week" behaves like a length of 3600 days in spacetime, and so a 0.2% difference in "angle" will displace the endpoint by more than a week in time. That is, if they differ in speed by more than 0.2% of the speed of light, they will disagree on when "3 parsecs and 1 week forward" is by more than a week. One of them will come out of jumpspace more than a week before the other -- which is to say, before the other one went into jump. If they beam a message onto another ship just about to jump back the other way, they can carry a message into the past of both ships. So obviously, relativity *does not* hold in Traveller. The laws of physics do depend upon some absolute frame of reference, because some ships cannot jump "3 parsecs and 1 week forward" of their current position and time. There is an absolute "jumpspace rest" standard that determines when and where ships can go. So in that sense, it is not at all like an Einstein-Rosen bridge, since (if they can exist) they do obey relativity -- with all the causality complications that would entail. - Tim