Off-topic - tracking enemy vessels, was Re: [TML] Instant city

Off-topic - tracking enemy vessels, was Re: [TML] Instant city Phil Pugliese 14 Feb 2016 15:04 UTC

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So that means that all warships are legally required to constantly broadcast their positions to any enemy that may be interested in same?

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On Sat, 2/13/16, William Ewing (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [TML] Instant city
To: "xxxxxx@simplelists.com" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2016, 11:59 PM

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Didn't
say it'd help, if you got a hull breach in battle in an
enemy system. Just that, as a matter of "safety"
and bureaucratic regs, they'd be automatic, and
wouldn't be designed to be turned
off. Real
warcraft today are legally required to have them, and
can't legally disable them. Even if a SWCC boat dropping
off SEALS wouldn't want it to go off.

From: Craig Berry
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To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com

Sent: Saturday,
February 13, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TML]
Instant city

Again,
that only helps if you're able to search the system
where the ship was last seen. If the enemy just won a battle
there and they're holding onto their gains, that
won't be an option. Even the loudest alert beacon
won't help much if you're 50 lightyears from the
nearest friendly base that might hear it.
Also,
note that such screamers probably won't work the same
way in space warcraft. The last thing a crippled spacecraft
limping away from a battle needs is a beacon shouting
"Hey, that damaged ship is right over
here!"
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Feb 13, 2016 at 10:17 PM, William Ewing (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
wrote:
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Emergency
Locator Beacons today (EPIRBs) can't usually be turned
off. You can activate them, test them, or leave them in
standby. If they go in the water, they start screaming,
telling the world your ship just sank at these coordinates.
You'd have to disassemble each one installed on board,
and they're not big machines. They're the size of
home fire extinguishers (so easy to forget and easy to
miss), mounted similarly, and there should be at least 2 on
a ship, possibly many more. Additionally, there's the
Man Overboard Indicator, MOBI, which is like a personnel
EPIRB, attached to every lifejacket. In a long-developed space setting, I'd
expect something very similar to both being required on all
commercial and naval vessels, and at the least highly
encouraged on private non-commercial
vessels.

From: Richard
Aiken <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
To: tml <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>

Sent: Friday, February
12, 2016 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TML]
Instant city

On Fri, Feb
12, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Craig Berry <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm positing that the battle happened deep in
enemy space, and that they're winning. There may never
be an opportunity to check the scene of the
battle.

Or even know precisely where the
scene of battle occurred.
Knowing the system alone is not
enough. Given the base velocity of the debris cloud(s), even
a few hours would be sufficient time to allow enough
separation to make finding all but the largest hulls
difficult. And that assumes one is free to use active
sensors. If the battle happened in an enemy held system,
nobody is going to be broadcasting an emergency locator
signal unless their situtaion is absolutely desperate (e.g.
capture being preferable to death).
--
Richard Aiken

"Never insult anyone by
accident." Robert A. Heinlein"I studied the Koran a great
deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there
have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as
Muhammed." Alexis de Tocqueville
(1843)"We know a little about a lot
of things; just enough to make us dangerous." Dean
Winchester
"It has been my experience
that a gun doesn't care who pulls its trigger."
Newton Knight (as portrayed by Matthew McConaughey),
to a scoffing Confederate tax collector facing the weapons
held by Knight's young children and
wife.

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