On 'Freshers and Ship Design Jeff Zeitlin (03 Jul 2025 23:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Tom Rux (04 Jul 2025 00:01 UTC)
RE: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design pvernon2001@xxxxxx (04 Jul 2025 00:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design David Johnson (04 Jul 2025 03:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Timothy Collinson (04 Jul 2025 09:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Tom Rux (04 Jul 2025 15:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Alex Goodwin (05 Jul 2025 14:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Jeff Zeitlin (05 Jul 2025 16:05 UTC)

RE: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design pvernon2001@xxxxxx 04 Jul 2025 00:06 UTC

In may deck plans I have a tendency to have a RV/caravan style "fresher" in each passenger cabin, but I put in a full shared bathroom in the crew area. Since the crew live on the ship, I felt that they needed a roomier "fresher". While the passengers are on board for just a week at a time the all in one type provided better personal privacy and comfort.

Peter V.

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It has been a long-standing tradition in ship design that each stateroom have its own 'fresher. However, this would seem to be somewhat inefficient.

It is acknowledged that were one to designate a stateroom as suitable for paying passengers it would be appropriate for the 'fresher to be private to that stateroom. However, in ships that are not intended for passenger carriage, or for certain specialty ships, common 'freshers might be a better option.

For the portion of the crew that is "on-duty" at any time, small 'freshers, perhaps omitting the shower, in reasonably accessible "crew-public" areas, would serve for when crew members with nearby duty stations need to take care of business. For off-duty crew, if they're in "public" areas of the ship, they have access to the same facilities as on-duty crew; for those in their own rooms, a common 'fresher nearby would serve, just as a single 'fresher in a residence can potentially serve four people without excessive contention, provided that they're not all on identical schedules.

So why don't we see ship designs and plans with those "common-area" and sleep-room-shared 'freshers?

(A note: for those of you who had the deckplans from _Star Trek_ (The Original Series), you'll note that 'freshers were shared between two staterooms, even though everything we saw on-screen was amazingly roomy [because they needed to fit the cameras]. Even then, they didn't use the one-per-stateroom model... I can't say whether the deckplans from TNG followed that model; I never had them.)

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