On 'Freshers and Ship Design
Jeff Zeitlin
(03 Jul 2025 23:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Tom Rux (04 Jul 2025 00:01 UTC)
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RE: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design
pvernon2001@xxxxxx
(04 Jul 2025 00:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design
David Johnson
(04 Jul 2025 03:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design
Timothy Collinson
(04 Jul 2025 09:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design
Tom Rux
(04 Jul 2025 15:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design
Alex Goodwin
(05 Jul 2025 14:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design
Jeff Zeitlin
(05 Jul 2025 16:05 UTC)
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Hello Jeff Zeitlin, The scout tender deck plan does have a common fresher shown. The area was taken from a number of staterooms. Tom Rux > On 07/03/2025 4:53 PM PDT Jeff Zeitlin - editor at freelancetraveller.com (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote: > > > It has been a long-standing tradition in ship design that each stateroom > have its own 'fresher. However, this would seem to be somewhat inefficient. > > It is acknowledged that were one to designate a stateroom as suitable for > paying passengers it would be appropriate for the 'fresher to be private to > that stateroom. However, in ships that are not intended for passenger > carriage, or for certain specialty ships, common 'freshers might be a > better option. > > For the portion of the crew that is "on-duty" at any time, small 'freshers, > perhaps omitting the shower, in reasonably accessible "crew-public" areas, > would serve for when crew members with nearby duty stations need to take > care of business. For off-duty crew, if they're in "public" areas of the > ship, they have access to the same facilities as on-duty crew; for those in > their own rooms, a common 'fresher nearby would serve, just as a single > 'fresher in a residence can potentially serve four people without excessive > contention, provided that they're not all on identical schedules. > > So why don't we see ship designs and plans with those "common-area" and > sleep-room-shared 'freshers? > > (A note: for those of you who had the deckplans from _Star Trek_ (The > Original Series), you'll note that 'freshers were shared between two > staterooms, even though everything we saw on-screen was amazingly roomy > [because they needed to fit the cameras]. Even then, they didn't use the > one-per-stateroom model... I can't say whether the deckplans from TNG > followed that model; I never had them.) > > > > ®Traveller is a registered trademark of > Mongoose Publishing, 1977-2025. Use of > the trademark in this notice and in the > referenced materials is not intended to > infringe or devalue the trademark. > > -- > Jeff Zeitlin, Editor > Freelance Traveller > The Electronic Fan-Supported Traveller® Resource > xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com > http://www.freelancetraveller.com > > Freelance Traveller extends its thanks to the following > enterprises for hosting services: > > onCloud/CyberWeb Enterprises (http://www.oncloud.io) > ----- > The Traveller Mailing List > Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml > Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com > To unsubscribe from this list please go to > https://lists.simplelists.com/subs/