On 'Freshers and Ship Design Jeff Zeitlin (03 Jul 2025 23:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Tom Rux (04 Jul 2025 00:01 UTC)
RE: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design pvernon2001@xxxxxx (04 Jul 2025 00:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design David Johnson (04 Jul 2025 03:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Timothy Collinson (04 Jul 2025 09:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Tom Rux (04 Jul 2025 15:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Alex Goodwin (05 Jul 2025 14:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Jeff Zeitlin (05 Jul 2025 16:05 UTC)

Re: [TML] On 'Freshers and Ship Design Tom Rux 04 Jul 2025 00:01 UTC

Hello Jeff Zeitlin,

The scout tender deck plan does have a common fresher shown. The area was taken from a number of staterooms.

Tom Rux

> On 07/03/2025 4:53 PM PDT Jeff Zeitlin - editor at freelancetraveller.com (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
>
>
> It has been a long-standing tradition in ship design that each stateroom
> have its own 'fresher. However, this would seem to be somewhat inefficient.
>
> It is acknowledged that were one to designate a stateroom as suitable for
> paying passengers it would be appropriate for the 'fresher to be private to
> that stateroom. However, in ships that are not intended for passenger
> carriage, or for certain specialty ships, common 'freshers might be a
> better option.
>
> For the portion of the crew that is "on-duty" at any time, small 'freshers,
> perhaps omitting the shower, in reasonably accessible "crew-public" areas,
> would serve for when crew members with nearby duty stations need to take
> care of business. For off-duty crew, if they're in "public" areas of the
> ship, they have access to the same facilities as on-duty crew; for those in
> their own rooms, a common 'fresher nearby would serve, just as a single
> 'fresher in a residence can potentially serve four people without excessive
> contention, provided that they're not all on identical schedules.
>
> So why don't we see ship designs and plans with those "common-area" and
> sleep-room-shared 'freshers?
>
> (A note: for those of you who had the deckplans from _Star Trek_ (The
> Original Series), you'll note that 'freshers were shared between two
> staterooms, even though everything we saw on-screen was amazingly roomy
> [because they needed to fit the cameras]. Even then, they didn't use the
> one-per-stateroom model... I can't say whether the deckplans from TNG
> followed that model; I never had them.)
>
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