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Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Phil Pugliese
(05 Jan 2015 23:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Craig Berry
(05 Jan 2015 23:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Phil Pugliese
(05 Jan 2015 23:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Craig Berry
(05 Jan 2015 23:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Ros Knox & Michael Barry
(05 Jan 2015 23:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Richard Aiken
(06 Jan 2015 00:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Craig Berry
(06 Jan 2015 00:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller... Phil Pugliese (06 Jan 2015 06:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Kurt Feltenberger
(06 Jan 2015 12:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Andrew Long
(06 Jan 2015 16:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
John Geoffrey
(06 Jan 2015 16:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Ros Knox & Michael Barry
(06 Jan 2015 07:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Phil Pugliese
(06 Jan 2015 10:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Craig Berry
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Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
Richard Aiken
(06 Jan 2015 22:35 UTC)
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However, there was an instance, back in the '70's or early '80's where a group of mercs in powerboats seized control of one of the very small island nations in the the Indian Ocean (the name escapes me).
They 'bossman' actually managed to hang on for quite a while until a group of mainland-africa nations cobbled together a force & expelled him.
I didn't know about it until I read a short back-page newswire (AP, I think) article about the 'rescue' operation in my local newspaper.
Considering how incompetent native 'local-yokel' coups generally turn out to be, even when initially successful, in 3rd world nations, I don't think it's really that far-fetched, esp since it appears the 'americans' may very well have also been 'natives' themselves.
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On Mon, 1/5/15, Ros Knox & Michael Barry <xxxxxx@homemail.com.au> wrote:
Subject: Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics Traveller...
To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2015, 4:56 PM
Tried to
engineer a coup? It's all fine
for fantasies, ie roleplaying games and the sad
musings of a
couple of pathetic wannabees who don't understand
the complexity
of modern nations.
I consider the private coup to be an international
sport for
sociopaths. Fortunately sociopaths have a huge
handicap, in that
they are narcissists without a strong sense of the way
in which
their opponents might respond. They are also unable to
engage in
trust-based relationships, which are essential in
maintaining a
successful private conspiracy.
A private coup might work where you can guarantee
rapid military
success with immediate and substantial political
support; it helps
if you can also cut off outside aid to your enemies. A
backup plan
with rapid extraction and impunity from prosecution is
also
essential.
Generally today the perpetrators are working for a
hostile
government, ie it's not a private coup. Sandline
International
played this game during the 90s in several smaller
African and
Pacific nations, generally on the side of a powerful
internal
faction in return for perpetual mineral rights on
success, ie a
Short ticket. However the strategy couldn't work
without
substantial financing from international banks to
cover the
initial expenses.
I remember a quote from a movie about a group of Brits
who
similarly tried to engineer a coup in Africa. When
they fail and
are imprisoned, they're told with disdain:
"You can't play chess
and ignore the black pieces."
MB
On 6/01/2015 10:29 AM, Craig Berry wrote:
One of my favorites as well. It made a
huge impact
on me when I read it at my father's urging. I
believe I was
about ten years old at the time. It was part of his
systematic
campaign to raise an imperial Brit in the California
70s. It
actually worked, mostly. :>
On Mon, Jan 5,
2015 at 3:26 PM, Phil
Pugliese (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
wrote:
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follows:
Certainly! And one of RKipling's
best, IMO...
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On Mon, 1/5/15, Craig Berry <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [TML] Real Life (tm) mimics
Traveller...
To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2015, 4:21 PM
"The
Man Who Would Be King" by Kipling.
Some plots (in both
senses) never go out of style.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:15
PM, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
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Recently came across this little gem. It
could fit
right
into the TU as a Mercenary
'ticket';
Two Americans Charged In Gambia Coup
Plot
The Justice Department charged two
Americans with
attempting
to overthrow the Gambian government in a
failed coup
last
week, including a property developer from
Austin,
Texas, who
allegedly planned to install himself as
the country's
leader, according to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation.
Cherno Njie, the Texas developer, led and
financed the
effort to oust Gambian President Yahya
Jammeh, an FBI
agent
said in an affidavit. But after it was put
down by
Gambian
government soldiers, one of the alleged
conspirators,
Papa
Faal, a dual American and Gambian citizen
living in
Minnesota, fled to Senegal, where he
turned himself in
at
the U.S. embassy. He then explained the
plot to the
FBI,
according to the affidavit.
Both men are charged with violating the
Neutrality Act,
a
law that dates from 1794 that makes it
illegal for
Americans
to take up arms against a foreign
government with which
the
U.S. is at peace. They are expected to
appear in court
in
Baltimore and Minnesota today.
Information on their attorneys wasn't
immediately
available.
Mr. Faal, who told the FBI he had served
in the U.S.
Army
and Air Force, told U.S. law enforcement
he decided to
join
the coup because he thought elections were
rigged and
the
"plight of the Gambian people,"
according to the
affidavit. A group of about a dozen people
planned to
restore democracy to Gambia and hoped to
take control
peacefully, but they thought 160 members
of the
country's military would join them,
according to the
affidavit.
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