Greg,

I'm a little confused where (presumably cyberpunk- or
postcyberpunk-style) netrunning has to come in, since I mentioned
contemporary networks in OTL.

I was thinking more of oldskool, unsexy, red teaming - finding
vulnerabilities in software and hardware, weaponising them into exploits
(or obtaining such from third parties), then delivering the exploits
where needed.

I'll take your words as indicating an ecosystem where defense is
dominant (as violently opposed to the offense domination we have in 2023
OTL), thus vastly mitigating the cyber vector as you implied.  What
would change the underlying economics to favour that?

Alex

On 18/1/23 11:39, Greg nokes - greg at nokes.name (via tml list) wrote:
> I did say naive, right? 🤣
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 17, 2023, at 5:37 PM, Ethan McKinney - ethan.mckinney at
>> gmail.com <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> "Hydrogen and stupidity are the two most abundant materials in the
>> universe." So long as you have systems, you will have people making
>> stupid security mistakes.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:00 PM Greg Nokes - greg at nokes.name
>> <http://nokes.name> (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
>>
>>     As someone who has worked in tech for longer then I’d really like
>>     to admit, I have the naive view that in the next 5,000 years we
>>     will learn how to harden computers to a the point where things
>>     like a axe applied to one will become the most effective method
>>     of “hacking”.
>>
>>     IE, Yes hacking exists IMTU, but it’s all about physical access
>>     to systems and social engineering rather than cyberdeck based net
>>     running. ;D
>>
>>     I have other universes for that. :D
>>