On 7/30/2014 10:54 PM, Knapp wrote:

> Much harder question. Education basically changes a wild free human into
> one willing to join the workforce and work for rich people for
> (possibly) the chance to become rich themselves or it moves them more
> towards just plain slavery depending on the system. Who would willing go
> from roaming the wilds finding food on plants and shooting wild animals
> with lots of free time with the family to standing on a conveyor belt
> building the same thing all day or in more modern worlds, sitting in
> front of a computer all day doing the same thing for years?

Um, in fairness - me.  (Maybe I'd feel different if I'd been brought up
in another culture, but that's an impossible thing to answer.)  This
version of me enjoys the benefits of modern Western society, even at my
relatively low (for THIS society; unimaginably high to most past and
even present ones) wealth bracket, including the ability to converse,
exchange ideas and/or play games with people on the other side of the
planet.  I also prefer the stability and security of an office job,
however occasionally tedious, to the "exciting" possibility of death,
injury and/or starvation (they're all linked, you see) if a hunt goes badly.

Or to put it more succinctly, I am a thoroughly civilized man.
(Domesticated, if you prefer.)  If civilization were to collapse, I
would follow it, likely within weeks if not days.  I have known and
accepted this for decades.

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