Yeah, As I recall the original Spruance design was much criticized for, amongst other things, "having nothing much beyond ASW capability". I recall a number of articles stating that there actually was 'empty' space set aside for 'future enhancements'...

And with a displacement that would've classified as light/heavy cruiser in WWII!

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On Wed, 5/28/14, Peter Berghold <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TML] Meta Deck LayoutForATigres
 To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 7:26 AM

 I know about CIC.  Spent
 three years on a Spruance class destroyer.  A friend of
 mine was a Sonarman on a SpruCan off of Lebanon.  The sonar
 shack is just off of CIC on a SpruCan.  He was disturbed on
 fine day by daylight coming through the bulkhead in several
 neat holes.   Turned out the "armor" wasn't
 worth a thing and small arms fire could just punch right
 through.

 The Navy's solution?  They put kevlar
 "bras" on the SpruCans.   Might be one of the
 reasons they were decommed early...

 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Doug Grimes <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
 wrote:

     What you have just described is the
       Combat Information Center (or whatever the current
 nomenclature
       may be) - a heavily armored space well inside the hull
 on most
       every combat vessel the US Navy has in commission.

       see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_room
 ,
       http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/cic_yester.htm
 ,
       (Carrier CIC precis) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g55zsOflAQ0

       The Bridge is pretty much relegated to shiphandling
 now, though
       never let the Captain here you say so.

       Doug G

       On 5/28/2014 8:20 AM, Peter Berghold wrote:

       I have long scoffed at the idea of Star
 Wars with
         their flying bridge design on a pedestal high above
 the rear of
         the ship.  If I were an adversary that would make
 quite the
         tempting target.

           I will not be surprised that US Navy warship
 design
           transitions away from a bridge in such an exposed
 area with
           the exception of peacetime sailing.  Con and
 combat operations
           would in my vision be controlled from a space deep
 inside the
           hull.  I think you're on the right track
 Doug.

         On Mon, May
 26, 2014 at 2:27 AM,
           Timothy Collinson <xxxxxx@port.ac.uk>
           wrote:

                   On 26 May 2014, at 04:18, David
 Jaques-Watson <xxxxxx@pcug.org.au>
                   wrote:

                       Dear
                           Folks –
                        
                       Tim
                           replied:
                       >>Have
                           you seen the version done by
 Mongoose? It’s in
                           their version of the *Fighting
 Ships*
                           supplement.
                       > 
                       >Bother. 
                           And other really rude words. 
 I'd completely
                           forgotten about that.  Shame on
 me for not
                           mentioning it.
                        
                       “
                           ”Bother!”, cried Pooh,
 slapping another
                           magazine into his
 AK-47.”

               LOL!

                            
                           As soon as I saw
                               that Mongoose’s Fighting
 Ships not only
                               had the Tigress (!), not only
 the
                               Plankwell (!!), but also the
                               Kokirrak-class (!!! one of
 which we have
                               at Tavonni!) I knew I HAD to
 buy this
                               book.  ;-)  ;-)
                            
                           I never thought
                               anyone would ever map out the
 thing. Sorta
                               like Marc probably thought
 no-one would
                               ever stat all the worlds in
 the Imperium,
                               let alone the Imperium and all
 surrounding
                               empires.  %-O

                   In the Traveller lecture I did recently I
 showed that
                   off (after explaining what a UWP was)
 along with travellermap.com.
                    You could hear the collective jaws of
 the audience
                   drop.  It was a real Total Perspective
 Vortex moment.

                            
                           I still love Jennell
                               Jaquays’ comment to me that
 she’s
                               surprised no-one has come up
 with better,
                               more interesting ship pics
 than the ones
                               she drew up at her kitchen
 table 30+ years
                               ago…

                   Ah, well that's because she drew the
 real things.  I
                   mean those ARE the ships! :-)

                   tc

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