On 8/30/2020 5:58 PM, Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list)
wrote:
> I really liked the 'Gateway Domain' published by ?????.
>
> Their 'Ley Sector' was pretty cool as it had a subsector-sized 'pocket' empire
> with a minor human race known as 'the stilts' due to their height.
>
> In another mag that I don't recall someone wrote an article w/ a fascinating
> back-story for them that had the 2I, still expanding in it's early days,
> discovering them & then incorporating them into the ROM. After a few centuries
> the fleets stationed there had gone native up to the rank of warrant officer at
> which point, with the 2I tottering, there was a GreatMutiny & the 'stilts' were
> on their own forever after.
>
> Unfortunately, they 'disappeared when GDW regenerated all that for their first
> 'Atlas of the Imperium' but there still was something similar in the same area
> with a code that started with an 'S'.
The Judges Guild version of the Gateway Domain?
https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Ley_Sector_(book)
https://travellermap.com/?p=4446.607!20!4&options=24823
Or the T20 version : https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Gateway_to_Destiny ?
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> On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 02:13:15 PM MST, xxxxxx@gmail.com
> <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Joshua Bell of TravellerMap clarified some things:
>
> 1. The Paranoia Press booklets were CT era 1981.
> 2. In 1994, Chuck Kallenbach rewrote the sectors to support MT/TNE/T4. That's
> the data Berka's map depicts at Chuck's request although it isn't clear that the
> data was meant to be back propagated over the booklet data for the CT era. The
> incompatibility may suggest it was, but the note in Galactic and in Berka's map
> at Zho Base indicates Chuck wanted Zho Base to use that revised and different
> version.
> 3. Traveller Map is using the CT data for the CT era representation from 1981.
>
> I understand at least 1 subsequent dot map (DGP) was not consistent with the
> Paranoia Press products.
>
> It may be MgT deals with this area and who knows how that could look with
> different data sets, dot maps, etc. When that happens, if MgT represents CT
> authoritatively, then the Paranoia Press stuff will be wiped.
>
> I like these Sectors more than most I've seen done in CT so I'll feel sad to see
> them go. I liked Fasa's Reaver's Deep too.
>
> Anyway, for Tom Rux, I wanted to clarify the differences in the two map sites at
> present after this information was clarified for me.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 3:42 PM <xxxxxx@gmail.com <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Well, that's interesting from a Traveller Map perspective then. This is what
> the info Tom pointed me at said at the bottom of the page:
>
> "The Vanguard Reaches data are reproduced here with permission
> of the author, Chuck Kallenbach II . Chuck
> expressed the wish that we use the data provided on the Paranoia
> Press homepage rather than what was in the actual sector book
> (copyright 1981). These new data, Chuck feels, cover both MT
> and TNE and should be valid for T4 as well.
>
> The text for the Library Data was provided by Chuck at his
> web site and structured and adapted, without modification to
> the wording, for use in GALACTIC.
>
> The stories entitled Von Ryan's War and the Loser's Perspective
> were provided by Chuck at the same site and incorporated into
> the information for the Duchy of Trelyn. Von Ryan's War is
> reproduced by permission of the author, Chuck Kallenbach II.
> The Loser's Perspective is credited to Dan Hillen from original
> ideas by Don Rapp. Proper credits can be found at the Paranoia
> Press homepage."
>
> This must reflect the supposed 1981 updates, though the Zhodani Base's
> version of The Beyond has no credit for the source of that though the data
> does not in any way match the two sectors as published in their respective
> Paranoia Press publications.
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 3:22 PM Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com
> <http://yahoo.com> (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com
> <mailto:xxxxxx@simplelists.com>> wrote:
>
> When GDW published their somewhat skeletonized 'Atlas of the Imperium'
> way back in the, I think, early '80's, it was specifically mentioned in
> the book that the licenses for third-party-generated chunks of the
> Imperium had expired & those areas had therefore been re-generated.
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> On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 12:09:07 PM MST, xxxxxx@gmail.com
> <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com> <xxxxxx@gmail.com
> <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> That data set does not match the Paranoia Press Vanguard Reaches (and
> thus I imagine The Beyond sector would also be different). I also doubt
> it matches later DGP stuff either. I do not know where they got their
> data from.
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 1:51 PM Thomas RUX <xxxxxx@comcast.net
> <mailto:xxxxxx@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> __
> Hello kaladorn,
>> On 08/30/2020 2:34 AM xxxxxx@gmail.com
>> <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looking in the book for Vanguard Reaches, the base at Totenkopf is
>> supposed to be a non-IISS/non-Imperial Scout Base and the base at
>> Langemarck is in fact a non-Imperial Naval Base. I think from
>> https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Base_Code they should have types J
>> for Langemarke and V for Totenkopf.
> Here is a link to Supplement PO3 Space Atlas
> https://zhodani.space/data/CLASSIC/
>
> Checking all of the subsector maps I did not either Totenkopf or
> Langemarck listed in the subsector write-up.
>
> Tom Rux
>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:29 AM < xxxxxx@gmail.com
>> <mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm working on some entries for the Traveller Wiki for the
>> Vanguard Reaches (published for CT by Paranoia Press).
>>
>> I've been looking at the page for Langemarck itself, one of
>> the few world pages in the Langemarck Coalition that was
>> already existent and in the list of sources there is mention
>> of an online update to the Vanguard Reaches (and possibly
>> other Paranoia Press material), date identified as 1991, and
>> authored by Chuck Kallenbach who wrote these supplements I
>> believe.
>>
>> Where online these existed, unclear. Anyone with a long memory
>> and a deep repository of past data have a copy of these updates?
>>
>> I see on the Traveller Wiki that the legend they use marks the
>> base at Langemark as a Naval Base (non-Imperial) but the code
>> recorded on the page is a K which
>> https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Base_Code appears not to align
>> with (its not a K'Kree base... I think it should be F or a J)
>> and the base on the map appears to be noted in the
>> TravellerMap legend as 'independent base' which seems like it
>> would have base code F (perhaps a Langemarck Army base?).
>>
>> As Paranoia Press is out of operation, I doubt any errata will
>> cover these discrepancies, but if there was some updates to
>> UWPs etc. in 1991, I never saw this update. If anyone has
>> whatever Chuck put out in 1991 as an update, I'd love to see
>> it. If it's on the CD that has the PP stuff, just point me
>> there as I have the disk somewhere.
>>
>> Tom B
>>
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