On 23 Apr 2014, at 00:05, Knapp <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > If nothing else you could blindfold your victim, toss them in the back of the car with grave plates and some speakers and really drive them all over without really even moving the car. Let the grave plates to the work! "grave plates"? Are they the hi-tech alternative to concrete overshoes? ;-) Phil Kitching