Good point! Although since a lot of those worlds had become vargr populated in the meantime, I imagine it quickly became apparent that many of those worlds could not be regained.

Also, a lot of the Julian Protectorate was also part of the 1I.

In fact the 3I actually started a campaign to 'recover' it.

It stalled when the 3I failed to completely secure Antares Sector.

And then the 1stFW started up & then the 'Flag Emperors' came along & that pretty much ended that.

From: Edward Swatschek <xxxxxx@bitslayer.net>
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Subject: Re: [TML] Population vs Tech Level

I'd say that, when they proclaimed the Third Imperium as a successor state, they included all the systems of the First & Second Imperiums. While the Third has expanded outside the First's borders into the Marches, I suspect that doesn't make up for not regaining Meshan, Mendam and Umdukan sectors.

On 2018-01-20 00:19, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) wrote:

Don't know if I'd count most of the SolConfed worlds amongst the '11,000'.

According to the SolRim supplement, the 3I didn't expand farther than the Old Earth Union before the Terran Autonomous Region was established.

In fact, the worlds in subsectors to rimward of Sol were never part of the TerranConfed or the 2I either.

One of the factors influencing the Solomani 'secession' was the fact that many worlds that were part of the Autonomous Region were not & never had been part of the 3I.

There's also the SolConfed worlds directly to spinward or trailing from Terra. Some could have been part of the TerranConfed or the 2I or perhaps even the 3I before the Autonomous Region was established.

But that should still leave the total well short of '11,000'.

Perhaps they're still counting all the worlds lost after the 'Frontier Wars' started?

Or maybe they're counting planets/planetoids etc., instead of systems?
From: Caleuche <xxxxxx@sudnadja.com>
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Subject: Re: [TML] Population vs Tech Level
Talking a quick look at the Traveller map data, considering worlds that are members of either the Imperium or Solomani Confederation - that's 10633 systems. To get near "empire of 11,000 worlds" I think they have to be counting the Solomani Confederation.

Of those there are 4070 that have a population below 100,000 which I would consider to be in the candidate class of world that basically exists to service a larger world. Those larger worlds I'm going to take to be a population of at least 1 billion and tech level of at least 9. There are 929 of those within the imperium.

Of those 4070 worlds, 3850 are within 6 parsec of one of the high pop worlds, and 220 are not. It's difficult to imagine a low pop world existing to service a high pop world that is more than one jump away, at jump-6. Even further, presuming efficient trade is done at jump-2 or less, that gives 2476 of those low pop worlds that probably need some explaining.

Interesting, there are 6 of those low pop worlds 12 parsec or more away from one of the high pop worlds. True backwater. 3 in the Spinward Marches, unsurprisingly, 2 in the Hinterworlds, and one in Aldebaran. {Raweh, Froin, Lakou, Lady Mac, Murmur, Tiajama}, incidentally. Raweh has a naval base, at least.

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On January 19, 2018 9:50 PM, Evyn MacDude <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Caleuche <xxxxxx@sudnadja.com> wrote:

I’d think that those sorts of world wouldn’t have independent (or member) governments though

Think about the T-Towns of the american western expansion. Lots of little independent towns servicing bigger cities.

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