Bradley, and how it got that way - is the book to read on Bradley if movies about Army programs are not your thing.

Abrams was a very successful heavy tank design. The problem was, did the US Army need a heavy tank in Europe?
A good tactical design that isn't appropriate operationally or strategically is a failure.

The M-113 was also a failure, the ACAV was a product of South Vietnamese expedient field modification later adopted by the US Army.
The M-113 mission profile in Vietnam was contrary to that which guided mission requirements for its design.

For the less military knowledgeble, to take the extreme Traveller example, youequip your force for a water world, then find out your force is headed for a desert world.

On 17 June 2015 at 23:32, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <nobody@simplelists.com> wrote:
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On Tue, 6/16/15, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TML] Question
 To: "tml@simplelists.com" <tml@simplelists.com>
 Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 10:09 PM


 On 17 June 2015 at 11:59,
 Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <nobody@simplelists.com>
 wrote:
 I've
 always figured that those soviet wheeled APC's compared
 favorably to the US M-113 tracked APC but always wondered
 how the later versions would compare against
 'Bradleys'.



 But then that's probably what the BMP tracked vehicle 
 was for. Although it did enter service some years before the
 'Bradley' did.



 ​Phil,
 The wheeled
 APCs were designed for the entirely different reasons to
 those of the M113.
 The Bradley
 was designed to 'outdo' the BMP-1, but its designers
 didn't realise what the BMP-1 design mission
 requirements were.
 The Bradley
 was therefore a failure not just in that it was
 unaffordable, but it was also inappropriate to requirements,
 and not exactly elegant in design. And of course it took
 almost two decades to put into production.

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Yeah, the Bradley was expensive but that was to be expected.
Expense was also the big rap against the Abrams &, in fact, the army even reduced the standard # of tanks w/i a standard armored batt as a response.
But, I don't think anyone calls the Abrams a failure. At least not credibly.
Also, what about the ACAV version of the Bradley for the armored cav regiments & armored recce batts?
From what I remember it was pretty much the same vehicle but would instead carry about 1/2 the personnel but increased ammo esp anti-tank missiles.

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