Morning all,
Here is try number two at showing the results of my calculations that do not match the values found in the QSDS 1.5e Standard Sensor Systems Table.
Sources:
QSDS 1.5e by Guy “Derek Wildstar” Garnett
TNE FF&S Mk I Mod 0 (TNE FF&S) Book 2 Chapter 5 pp. 49-55
TNE Brilliant Lances (BL) Technical Booklet
Consolidated TNE Errata maintained by Donald McKinney
Part 1: Notes
1. The Min Length column of the QSDS 1.5e (QSDS) Standard Sensor Table appears to be for a folding antenna based on TNE FF&S HRT/PEMS note, p. 53., “AD: Antenna Diameter, in meters. If the antenna diameter is > than hull length (unmodified by configuration) the antenna must be a folding array. The hull length unmodified by configuration is the last column on the Hull Size Table (TNE FF&S p. 11 or TNE BL Technical Booklet p. 2).
A folding antenna array takes up half the diameter when stored. For example a folding antenna with a diameter of 10 m when deployed will be 10 x 0.5 = 5 m when stored.
2. The Consolidated TNE Errata, p. 35, has directions for adding the note: Antenna Price (in MCr) = Antenna Area x 0.05 below the Radar on TNE FF&S p. 50. The addition of antenna price changes the final price of the TL-9 sensor packages.
3. Jammers are not mentioned in the Sensor overview on QSDS p. 10. But they are listed in the USD column of the Standard Sensor Systems Table on p. 11. TNE FF&S p. 53, indicates that a there are four types of jammer. There is a jammer designed to be used against a radio communicator, another one for radar, and one for the AEMS. The fourth system is an area jammer which degrades radio and sensors. My guess is that the jammers used in QSDS are for radar and the AEMS. At minimum I would suggest adding a radio jammer as part of the small and medium military sensor packages. An alternative would be to have three separate jammers to cover TL-9 and introduce the area jammer at TL-10.
4. Sensor Crew Calculation: # of Package components x Crew Size TL Modifier provided by Guy Garnett/
Number of components in each package;
Basic/Improved = 2, Small Military = 4, Medium Military = 5
TL Crew Modifier
09 0.66
10 0.45
11 0.30
12 0.20
13 0.13
14 0.08
15 0.05
Part 2: Sensor Systems.
QSDS 1.5e p. 10
SENSORS
There are four types of standard sensor packages available. All of the sensor packages contain an active sensor (radar or active EMS when available) and a passive sensor (high-resolution thermal, HRT, or passive EMS when available). In the Basic package, active sensor’s range is too short for combat use, but it is sufficient for collision avoidance. The Improved package increases the range of the active sensor. Both military packages add a LADAR system for accurate range-finding and target designation, jammers (radar or AEMS when available), as well as improving the antenna sizes for the active and passive sensors. The passive sensor antenna diameter determines the minimum hull length and size in displacement tons the sensor can be mounted on. The medium military package provides an identical back-up active sensor to better withstand battle damage, and also adds a neutrino sensor and densitometer when they become available. Passive sensor antennas for the basic and improved packages are fixed array while the military packages use folding arrays.
1. TL-9 Basic Sensor System:
Components:
Active: Radar with short range of 300 km.
Passive: HRT with short range of 60,000 km
Total volume from my calculations is 1 displacement ton (Td) and has a price tag of MCr13.8. The difference in volume is the result of how and when I rounded the numbers. The price change is based on the addition of the Radar antenna cost equation = Antenna Area x 0.05
Active Sensor: Radar with a short range of 300 km. TNE FF&S p. 50
Processor
Volume (m^3): 10 m^3 = 10 / 14 = 0.7134 displacement tons (Td)
Power (MW): Volume 10 m^3 x 0.2 = 2 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 10 m^3 x 1 = MCr10
Antenna
Area (m^2): Processor Volume 10 m^3 x TL Mod 9+ 0.5 = 5m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 5 m^2 x 0.1 = 0.5 m^3 / 14 = 0.0357 Td
Price (MCr): Area 5 m^2 x 0.05 = MCr0.25
Active Sensor TL-9 Radar Specifications:
Short Range: 300 km = 300 / 30,000 = Sensor USD A0
Volume (Td): Processor 0.7134 Td + Antenna 0.0357 Td = 0.7500 Td
Power (MW): 2 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr10 + Antenna MCr0.25 = MCr10.25
Area (^2): 5 m^2
Passive Sensor: HRT with a short range of 60,000 km. TNE FF&S p. 53
Processor
Volume (m^3): 1.5 m^3 = 1.5 m^3 / 14 = 0.1071 Td
Power (MW): Volume 1.5 m^3 x 0.1 = 0.15 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 1.5 m^3 x 1 = MCr1.5
Antenna: Volume modifier: Fixed array = 0.05 or Folding = 0.1
Diameter (m): 10 m fixed/5 m folding array
Array Type: Fixed (Volume modifier 0.05)
Min Hull Length (m)/Size (Td): Length 10 m/Size 40 Td
Area (m^2): 80 m^2 x if (TL 9+, 0.5, 1) = 80 x 0.5 = 40 m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 40 m^2 x Fixed 0.05 = 2 m^3 / 14 = 0.1429 Td
Price (MCr): Volume 2 m^3 x 1 = MCr2
Passive Sensor TL-9 HRT Specifications:
Short Range: 60,000 km = 60,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD P2
Antenna Type: Fixed 10 m diameter antenna array
Min Hull Length (m)/Size (Td): Length 10 m/Size 40 Td
Volume (Td): Processor 0.1071 Td + Antenna 0.1429 Td = 0.2500 Td
Power (MW): 0.15 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr1.5 + Antenna MCr2 = MCr3.5
Area (m^): 40 m^2
TL-9 Basic Sensor Package specifications
Min Hull length using a fixed antenna array: 10 m
Min Hull Td using a fixed antenna array: 40 m
Volume (Td): Radar 0.75 Td + HRT 0.25 Td = 1.0 Td
Power (MW): Radar 2 MW + HRT 0.15 MW = 2.15 = 2.2 MW
Price (MCr): Radar MCr10.25 + HRT MCr3.5 = 13.75 = MCr13.8
Area (m^2): Radar 5 m^2 + HRT 40 m^2 = 45 m^2
Crew: Basic = 2 x TL 9 Crew Mod 0.66 = 1.32 = 1.3
USD: A0 P2 J0
2. TL-9 Improved Sensor System:
Components:
Active: Radar with short range of 3,000 km.
Passive: HRT with short range of 60,000 km
The change in the price of the Improved package is based on the Radar antenna cost equation = Antenna Area x 0.05. The HRT passive sensor is the same as used in the basic sensor package which is why the calculations for the processor and antenna are not shown.
Active Sensor: Radar with a short range of 3,000 km. TNE FF&S p. 50
Processor
Volume (m^3): 15 m^3 = 15 / 14 = 1.0714 Td
Power (MW): Volume 15 m^3 x 0.2 = 3 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 15 m^3 x 1 = MCr15
Antenna
Area (m^2): Processor Volume 15 m^3 x TL Mod 9+ 0.5 = 7.5m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 7.5 m^2 x 0.1 = 0.75 m^3 / 14 = 0.0536 Td
Price (MCr): Area 7.5 m^2 x 0.05 = MCr0.375
Active Sensor TL-9 Radar Specifications:
Short Range: 3,000 km = 3,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD A0
Volume (Td): Processor 1.0714 Td + Antenna 0.0536 Td = 1.1250 Td
Power (MW): 3 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr15 + Antenna MCr0.375 = MCr15.375
Area (^2): 7.5 m^2
Passive Sensor TL-9 HRT Specifications:
Short Range: 60,000 km = 60,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD P2
Antenna Type: Fixed 10 m diameter antenna array
Min Hull Length (m)/Size (Td): Length 10 m/Size 40 Td
Volume (Td): Processor 0.1071 Td + Antenna 0.1429 Td = 0.2500 Td
Power (MW): 0.15 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr1.5 + Antenna MCr2 = MCr3.5
Area (m^): 40 m^2
TL-9 Improved Sensor Package specifications
Min Hull length using a fixed antenna array: 10 m
Min Hull Td using a fixed antenna array: 40 m
Volume (Td): Radar 1.125 Td + HRT 0.25 Td = 1.375 = 1.4 Td
Power (MW): Radar 3 MW + HRT 0.15 MW = 3.15 = 3.2 MW
Price (MCr): Radar MCr15.375 + HRT MCr3.5 = 18.875 = MCr18.9
Area (m^2): Radar 7.5 m^2 + HRT 40 m^2 = 47.5 m^2
Crew: Improved = 2 x TL 9 Crew Mod 0.66 = 1.32 = 1.3
USD: A0 P2 J0
3. TL-9 Small Military Sensor System:
Components:
Active: Radar with short range of 60,000 km
Active: Ladar with short range of 60,000 km
Passive: HRT with short range of 60,000 km
Jammer: Radar with short range of 30,000 km
Active Sensor: Radar with a short range of 60,000 km. TNE FF&S p. 50
Processor
Volume (m^3): 30 m^3 = 30 / 14 = 2.1429 Td
Power (MW): Volume 30 m^3 x 0.2 = 6 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 30 m^3 x 1 = MCr30
Antenna
Area (m^2): Processor Volume 30 m^3 x TL Mod 9+ 0.5 = 15 m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 15 m^2 x 0.1 = 1.5 m^3 / 14 = 0.1071 Td
Price (MCr): Area 15 m^2 x 0.05 = MCr0.75
Active Sensor: TL-9 Radar Specifications:
Short Range: 60,000 km = 60,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD A2
Volume (Td): Processor 2.1429 Td + Antenna 0.01071 Td = 2.25 Td
Power (MW): 6 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr30 + Antenna MCr0.75 = MCr30.75
Area (^2): 15 m^2
Active Sensor: Ladar with a short range of 60,000 km. TNE FF&S p. 51
Processor
Volume (m^3): 1 m^3 = 1 m^3 / 14 = 0.0714 Td
Power (MW): Volume 1 m^3 x 1 = 1 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 1 m^3 x 10 = MCr10
Antenna
Area (m^2): Processor Volume 1 m^3 x 1 = 1 m^2
Volume (m^3) and Price (MCr) subsumed in Processor.
Active Sensor: TL-9 Ladar Specifications:
Short Range: 60,000 km = 60,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD A2
Volume (Td): Processor 0.0714 Td
Power (MW): 1 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr10
Area (^2): 1 m^2
Passive Sensor: HRT with a short range of 90,000 km. TNE FF&S p. 53
Processor
Volume (m^3): 2.5 m^3 = 2.5 m^3 / 14 = 0.1786 Td
Power (MW): Volume 2.5 m^3 x 0.1 = 0.25 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 2.5 m^3 x 1 = MCr2.5
Antenna: Volume modifier: Fixed: 0.05 or Folding array = 0.1
Diameter (m): 20 m fixed/10 m folding
Array Type: Folding (Volume modifier 0.1)
Min Hull Length (m)/Size (Td): Length 10 m/Size 40 Td
Area (m^2): 300 m^2 x if (TL 9+, 0.5, 1) = 300 x 0.5 = 150 m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 150 m^2 x 0.1 = 15 m^3 / 14 = 1.0714 Td
Price (MCr): Volume 15 m^3 x 1 = MCr15
Passive Sensor TL-9 HRT Specifications:
Short Range: 90,000 km = 90,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD P3
Antenna Type: 10 m diameter folding array (Deployed 20 m)
Min Hull Length (m)/Size (Td): Length 10 m/Size 40 Td
Volume (Td): Processor 0.1786 Td + Antenna 1.0714 Td = 1.2500 Td
Power (MW): 0.25 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr2.5 + Antenna MCr15 = MCr17.5
Area (m^): 150 m^2
ECM: Radar Jammer with a short range of 30,000 km TNE FF&S p. 53
Processor
Volume (m^3): 20 m^3 = 20 / 14 = 1.4286 Td
Power (MW): Volume 20 m^3 x 0.2 x 2= 4 x 2 = 8 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 20 m^3 x 1 x 2= 20 x 2 =MCr40
Antenna
Area (m^2): Processor Vol 20 m^3 x TL Mod 9+ 0.5 x 0.10 = 1 m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 1 m^2 x 0.1 = 0.1 m^3 / 14 = 0.0071 Td
Price (MCr): Area 1 m^2 x 0.05 x 2 = MCr0.1
ECM: TL-9 Radar Jammer (J) Specifications:
Short Range: 30,000 km = 30,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD J1
Volume (Td): Processor 1.4286 Td + Antenna 0.0071 Td = 1.4357 Td
Power (MW): 8 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr40 + Antenna MCr0.1 = MCr40.1
Area (^2): 1 m^2
TL-9 Small Military Sensor Package specifications
Min Hull length using a folding antenna array: 10 m
Min Hull Td using a folding antenna array: 40 m
Volume (Td): Radar 2.25 + Ladar 0.0714 + HRT 0.25 + Jammer 1.4357 =
2.3214 + 1.25 + 1.4357 = 2.5714 + 1.4357 = 5.0071 = 5 Td
Power (MW): Radar 6 + Ladar 1 + HRT 0.25 + Jammer 8 =
7 + 0.25 + 8 = 7.25 + 8 = 15.25 = 15.3 MW
Price (MCr): Radar 30.75+ Ladar 10 + HRT 17.5 + Jammer 40.1 =
40.75 + 17.5 + 40.1 = 58.25 + 40.1 = 98.35 = MCr98.4
Area (m^2): Radar 15 + Ladar 1 + HRT 150 + Jammer 1 =
16 + 150 + 1 = 166 + 1 = 167 m^2
Crew: Small = 4 x TL 9 Crew Mod 0.66 = 2.64 = 2.6
USD: A2 P3 J1
4. TL-9 Medium Military Sensor System:
Components:
Active: Radar with short range of 60,000 km
Active: 2 x Ladar with short range of 120,000 km
Passive: HRT with short range of 120,000 km
Jammer: Radar with short range of 60,000 km
The radar sensor used in the medium military package is the same as the in the small military package, no calculations are presented.
Active Sensor: TL-9 Radar Specifications:
Short Range: 60,000 km = 60,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD A2
Volume (Td): Processor 2.1429 Td + Antenna 0.01071 Td = 2.25 Td
Power (MW): 6 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr30 + Antenna MCr0.75 = MCr30.75
Area (^2): 15 m^2
Active Sensor: 2 x Ladar with a short range of 120,000 km. TNE FF&S p. 51
Processor
Volume (m^3): 2 x 2.4 m^3 = 4.8 m^3 / 14 = 0.3429 Td
Power (MW): Volume 4.8m^3 x 1 = 4.8 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 4.8 m^3 x 10 = MCr48
Antenna
Area (m^2): Processor Volume 4.8 m^3 x 1 = 4.8 m^2
Volume (m^3) and Price (MCr) subsumed in Processor.
Active Sensor: 2 x TL-9 Ladar Specifications:
Short Range: 120,000 km = 120,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD A4
Volume (Td): Processor 0.3429 Td
Power (MW): 4.8 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr48
Area (^2): 4.8 m^2
Passive Sensor: HRT with a short range of 120,000 km. TNE FF&S p. 53
Processor
Volume (m^3): 3 m^3 = 3 m^3 / 14 = 0.2143 Td
Power (MW): Volume 3 m^3 x 0.1 = 0.3 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 3 m^3 x 1 = MCr3
Antenna: Volume modifier: Fixed: 0.05 or Folding array = 0.1
Diameter (m): 40 m fixed/20 m folding array
Array Type: Folding
Min Length: Folding - min hull length 20 m/min hull size 300 Td
Area (m^2): 1,200 m^2 x if (TL 9+, 0.5, 1) = 1,200 x 0.5 = 600 m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 600 m^2 x 0.1 = 60 m^3 / 14 = 4.2857 Td
Price (MCr): Volume 60 m^3 x 1 = MCr60
Passive Sensor TL-9 HRT Specifications:
Short Range: 120,000 km = 120,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD P4
Antenna Type: 20 m diameter folding array (Deployed 40 m)
Min Hull Length (m)/Size (Td): Length 10 m/Size 40 Td
Volume (Td): Processor 0.2143 Td + Antenna 4.2857 Td = 4.5 Td
Power (MW): 0.3 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr3 + Antenna MCr60 = MCr63
Area (m^): 600 m^2
ECM: Radar Jammer with a short range of 60,000 km TNE FF&S p. 53
Processor
Volume (m^3): 30 m^3 = 30 / 14 = 2.1429 Td
Power (MW): Volume 30 m^3 x 0.2 x 2= 6 x 2 = 12 MW
Price (MCr): Volume 30 m^3 x 1 x 2= 30 x 2 =MCr60
Antenna
Area (m^2): Processor Vol 30 m^3 x TL Mod 9+ 0.5 x 0.10 = 1.5 m^2
Volume (m^3): Area 1.5 m^2 x 0.1 = 0.15 m^3 / 14 = 0.0107 Td
Price (MCr): Area 1.5 m^2 x 0.05 x 2 = MCr0.15
ECM: TL-9 Radar Jammer (J) Specifications:
Short Range: 30,000 km = 60,000 / 30,000 = Sensor USD J2
Volume (Td): Processor 2.1429 Td + Antenna 0.0107 Td = 2.1536 Td
Power (MW): 12 MW
Price (MCr): Processor MCr60 + Antenna MCr0.15 = MCr60.15
Area (^2): 1.5 m^2
TL-9 Medium Military Sensor Package specifications
Min Hull length using a folding antenna array: 20 m
Min Hull Td using a folding antenna array: 300 Td
Volume (Td):
Radar 2.25 +2 x Ladar 0.3429 + HRT 4.5 + Jammer 2.1536 =
2.5929 + 4.5 + 1.4357 = 7.0929 + 2.1536 = 9.2465 = 9.2 Td
Power (MW): Radar 6 + Ladar 4.8 + HRT 0.3 + Jammer 12 =
10.8 + 0.3 + 12 = 11.1 + 12 = 23.1 MW
Price (MCr): Radar 30.75+ Ladar 48 + HRT 63 + Jammer 60.15 =
78.75 + 63 + 60.15 = 141.75 + 60.15 = MCr201.9
Area (m^2): Radar 15 + Ladar 4.8 + HRT 600 + Jammer 1.5 =
19.8 + 600 + 1.5 = 619.8 + 1.5 = 621.3 m^2
Crew: Medium = 5 x TL 9 Crew Mod 0.66 = 3.3
USD: A4 P4 J2
Hopefully I didn’t mess up the numbers from the spreadsheet to the post and my math is correct.
Tom Rux
Hope