Evening Grimmund,
From: "Grimmund" <grimmund@gmail.com>
To: tml@simplelists.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 12:29:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TML] Reflections on LBB2v2 versus HGv2 for drives
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:01 AM, <tmr0195@comcast.net> wrote:
> Note the addition of [total] :
>> If you design and build a house, [total] cost is (design cost x 1) +
>> (build cost x 1)
Yep, I see the change which is what I automatically felt was what
the example met.
>>> The (design cost x 1) + (build cost x 1) I feel would be
>>> (architect's fee x 1) + (shipyard build cost x).
> Different language, same idea.
Great at least I appear to be getting a grasp on the subject of
the discussion.
> Note that if you buy a licensed design, you pay only the license fee
> (instead of an architect's fee to develop your own design) + build
> cost.
I appear the be in agreement here.
>> This is where I appear to agree with you, unfortunately
>> the majority of members on a couple of other forums
>> feel that only the (build cost x 1) applies.
> Depends on how you parse it, and where you are in the process.
> Build cost= build cost
> architect's fee = architect's fee.
The parsing appears to be where I am not communicating clearly.
> If you start from scratch, and want a custom ship, you're going to
> have to pay both, at some point.
No disagreement on this one.
> If you already have a design, all you pay is the build fee to build a ship.
Yep, still no disagreement on this one.
> If you go through mom's papers, and find a complete design package for
> a starship, YOUR cost for the design is zero- mom already has it.
This one is outside of what I was considering. I'll have to go through
my mom's papers a see if she has some plans hidden there. ;-)
> If someone in your band of travellers has Naval Architect-2, and
> designs a ship for the party, all you pay is the build fee.
This is beyond the scope I'm thinking about, however I do agree that
I would pay only the shipyard's construction fee.
> The architect's fee and the build cost are separate expenses, paid at
> separate times, to separate entities. You have to write TWO checks.
> You have to pay the architect before they release the plans.
Yes, two separate checks are written and paid for from the same budget.
The first check that goes against the budget is the fee from the naval
architect. The final check that goes to the budget is written to the shipyard
before they let you have the key to your new ride.
>> An outsider who wants to build one hull gets (Cr100 fee
>> for the plans) + (1 x build cost).
> Not if *I* paid for the design.
You are not paying for the design the outsider is picking up the tab by
selecting the design in the shipyards files of standard plans.
> If the *shipyard* offers a standard design for 100cr, rock on. If
> someone wants a copy of YOUR custom design, they have to negotiate
> that with YOU, or possibly your architect, although I would expect
> that sort of design work would be covered by some sort of proprietary
> arrangement, or a substantial reduction of the fee if the architect
> intends to continue selling it to other customers.
I agree that a shipyard has standard designs that the plans cost a lot
less that the architect's fee.
I was not even considering some one approaching the owner who first
paid for the design or the architect selling the completed plans later.
Thank you again for trying to explain this thing to me and in spite of your
efforts my brain is still not getting the concept.
Tom Rux