Thank you again for trying to get me to see the light.
Another communication failure point on my part.
> house the cost is (design cost x 1), regardless if you build it.
architect's fee x 1).
forums agree on this cost.
The (design cost x 1) + (build cost x 1) I feel would be
(architect's fee x 1) + (shipyard build cost x).
This is where I appear to agree with you, unfortunately
the majority of members on a couple of other forums
feel that only the (build cost x 1) applies.
> If you decide you like it so much, you build two more copies for
> vacation homes, cost is (design cost x1) + (build cost x 3).
Here is where we are apparently change from the same page
to totally different books.
In my fuzzy little mind contracting the shipyard for two
more hulls, without any changes to the design, would
be (build cost x 2). The (design cost x 1) was paid for
as part of the original hull.
> If you decide to go build a housing development with 30 cookie cutter
> copies of the house, the cost is (30 x build cost) + (1 x the design cost)
> for the neighborhood.
The owner decides to build thirty hulls without changes, per my
understanding of the design rules, would be calculated as
((1 x build cost) - Discount for multiple hulls) x thirty.
An outsider who wants to build one hull gets (Cr100 fee
for the plans) + (1 x build cost).
we still appear to be reading from pages in different books.
From: "Grimmund" <grimmund@gmail.com>
To: tml@simplelists.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:31:54 AM
Subject: Re: [TML] Reflections on LBB2v2 versus HGv2 for drives
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:26 AM, <tmr0195@comcast.net> wrote:
> The customer's total
> budget included the cost of my friend's plans and the
> cost of building the home.
Yes. These are different line items.
> My understanding of the rules is that a budget is set
> prior to asking an architect to draw a set of plans for
> a new design.
That would be sensible. Although in the real world we frequently see
huge cost over-runs and multiple design revisions. (and the design
revisions are generally what drive the over-runs, but that's another
story...)
> The plan created by the architect includes the costs of
> the components. The total cost of the finished plan,
> hopefully within the original budget, is used to calculate
> the architect's fee. The fee is paid from the established
> budget.
Yup. Design fees and build costs are separate items.
> If the hull is not built the only budget cost is the architect's fee.
Exactly. Although that seems kind of silly, no? Why would you buy a
design without budgeting money to build it?
> If the hull is built both the architect and shipyard are paid
> for the work done from the budget.
That's an aggregate cost again. You pay the design fee regardless of
whether you build the ship or not.
> A second hull is constructed by the same shipyard and
> receives the cost of the hull and components, which is
> taken from the budget.
If pay for the design work, you own the design.
If *you* order a second ship at the same shipyard, there would be no
additional design fees. (which is silly, because if you order a
second ship, there WILL be design changes from the first one, tweaks
to improve performance, handling, ease of maintenance, etc.)
If someone else sees your ship, says "oooh, shiny, I want one" and
goes to the shipyard, AND YOU PAID FOR THE DESIGN, the shipyard will
direct them to you to buy a license. Or direct them to a qualified
naval architect to design something similar.
If the shipyard did the design themselves, and sells it under license
as a "standard design", you pay their nominal license fee and they
start building.
Or to put in in housing terms, if you pay someone to design a house,
the cost is (design cost x1), regardless if you build it.
If you design and build a house, cost is (design cost x1) + (build cost x1).
If you decide you like it so much, you build two more copies for
vacation homes, cost is (design cost x1)+(build cost x3).
If you decide to go build a housing development with 30 cookie cutter
copies of that house, the cost is (30x build cost)+(1x design cost)
for the neighborhood.
Dan
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