Lou and Gary

I understand that calling out "clear" can confuse some people, but I also know that it can help indicate that there is an intersection coming up.  But, apparently it's not a well known fact to not say "clear" because I have been on GCC rides where I have heard other GCC riders say "clear" or "car right" or "car left".  I didn't intend to step on anyone's toes, so I would appreciate it if you didn't step on mine for expressing my own opinion from my own observations.   Plus, I wasn't tying to make people do anything, Lou.  Sorry for your misinterpretation.

-Delia

From: Lou Ortega <lou-natic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Delia Kilpatrick <seles2323@xxxxxxxxx>; Joseph N. Wilson <jnw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: GCCMail@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 1:54:33 PM
Subject: Re: GCCMail: Bicyclist critically injured after crash

No way. This has been well known fact. You DO NOT say "clear" at all. It's misleading to the other riders, specially the ones that have not been around long. No ambiguity - everyone look out for themselves - don't make people make judgment calls on what "a few feet away" is. Come on now. 

From: Delia Kilpatrick <seles2323@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Joseph N. Wilson <jnw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: GCCMail@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:22:27 AM
Subject: Re: GCCMail: Bicyclist critically injured after crash

Joseph, I think it's ok for you to continue to say clear, or to say car right or left if it's a few feet away.  Either way you'd be giving the rider behind you a heads up that there is actually an intersection or stop sign coming up.  But, it's still that riders responsibility to use their own senses.

-Delia

From: Joseph N. Wilson <jnw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Beth Knizer <bknizer@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: GCCMail@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:58:20 PM
Subject: Re: GCCMail: Bicyclist critically injured after crash

It's quite dangerous to yell "clear" in an attempt to help
other riders pass through an intersection more quickly.
Even though I know this is dangerous, I still have the urge
to help (?) people by doing it.

I hope we can all keep our fellow riders safer
by putting an end to this practice.


Joe Wilson


Beth Knizer wrote:
> To all:
>
> Saw this on the Gville Sun's site. It was on the Gainesville-Hawthorne Trail.
>
> http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090918/articles/909189980
>
>
> Seems as though he ran a stop sign. I'm not quite sure which
> intersection, but there's quite a few of them on the Trail are so
> obvious. Good practice too if you're a rider say a good length behind
> another they proceed though the intersection and yell "Clear" don't
> heed that. You should stop and check traffic. What was "clear" for
> them, might not before you.
>
> I learned not to do that during a Road 1 class a few years ago on the
> Florida Discovery ride.
>
> Safe riding out there.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Beth Knizer
>
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