Walt:  I truly regret chiming in on this thread and will never do so again. To be clear, I have always been in favor of clear and open communication while cycling. Anyone that has ridden with me has hopefully found me to be a safe and considerate rider.  I was in no way in favor of not communicating whether via bell or voice or saying that certain riders are too cool to communicate. To all GCC members I apologize for my attempt at humor and again wish all safe cycling. 

Sincerely,
Greg Grooms

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On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:01 PM, "walt McCown" <waltmccown@yahoo.com> wrote:

It is very rude, not to mention unsafe, not to give warning when passing. It is especially important on big rides with cyclists of all ability and speeds occupying the roadways at the same time. I have seen this behavior frequently on the Horse Farm and Ride to Remember. What is so freaking hard or is it considered uncool to let others know you are there?  I was on a big ride recently - hundreds of riders - and very few bothered to let others know they were passing. Too busy racing (who?) to bother I guess.  Seems it is ALWAYS the racer wanna-bees that are so thusly rude.  On this ride I saw one of those go-fast pace lines about to steam past a slower rider on a cruiser with no warning given when the cruiser suddenly meandered off her line and 2 in the pace line went down. Only road rash but just desserts says I.  Don't be such a self-involved chowerhead.  Consider others out there on 2 wheels and give warning. I don't understand why it is even a question.
 
Walter McCown
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:28 PM, Greg Grooms <GGrooms@davismonk.com> wrote:
I can just see all the A riders, aka the ones doing the passing, running out to buy bells to place on their sleek carbon, titanium, air cheating, multi $1,000 dollar bikes.  

As the duty chief on Hill Street Blues always said at the end of each morning briefing, "now let's all be safe out there today."  Oh, and enough already about the bell vs "on your left."  

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On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:09 PM, "Larry Lambert (via gccmail list)" <nobody@simplelists.com> wrote:

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I wholeheartedly agree about the bell!
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:52 PM, Justin De Leo <justbike@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe this will resonate with some of you, though it is more common among the off-road enthusiasts like myself.

I prefer to use a nice ring of the bell when passing. I have 2 bells on my SS MTB, so I do admit I am fond of them.
People have commented more than a few times, "Thanks for ringing that bell and notifying me of your presence. It is so much better than you yelling at me." (paraphrased...)

Contrast that with: "On yer left!," which always sounds like "onyerveff" or some other mutation to the receiver.
Also, outside of road riding groups, when on excursions that include commutes and in-town roads where bikers and pedestrians are traveling both ways on the same path, saying "On your left," could put you in a bad spot! When do you see full participation with the concept of "staying-to-the-right" when riding or walking?

Ding! Ding! 


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carter,Michael L <mcarter@coe.ufl.edu> wrote:
I agree.  I wish more of the cyclists on campus would practice this whether they a passing another cyclist or pedestrian. 
 
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From: gccmail-manager@simplelists.com [mailto:gccmail-manager@simplelists.com] On Behalf Of Martha Scott
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To: James Thompson
Cc: Clifford Gionet; Gainesville Cycle Club
Subject: Re: GCCMail: Passing protocol
 
I appreciate hearing "passing on your left" so I do not have the bejesus scared out of me.
I also like the idea of including how many bikers are passing.  That provides an even better heads-up.
Like Diann, I usually am huffing like a steam engine, and the ears just aren't what they used to be; so nice and loud is good.
 
Martha Scott
 
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:27 PM, James Thompson <jtexconsult@gmail.com> wrote:
This seems of general interest, so . . .
Vehicular Law FS316.083 and .085 require us as vehicles in the roadway to pass on the left except where right side passing is permitted.  And according to the law all vehicles (that means us) must give three feet to bikes and other non-motor users.  Vehicles are even allowed to cross lanes to do so.
According to cycling tradition "on the left" is a standard for most club riders.  It is even the name of teams and coaching programs (the idea being you are passing the competition).  I have found however that "stay where you are" works better with slower or less experienced riders esp. in a commuter crowded situation.
Notably sidewalk cyclists are required by law to give an audible signal when overtaking other users.  FS316.2065(11).  I believe we should voluntarily extend this rule to ourselves.
If someone doesn't like your signalling it is usually because you are passing them up. :) You said OYL.  They heard OYL, Sucker!
James
On Apr 22, 2014 12:57 PM, "Clifford Gionet" <taxfirmone@gmail.com> wrote:
When we did our first Cycle Oregon many years ago we were instructed by ride officials to say "On your left" as we passed slower riders.
 
We developed the habit of saying this every time we pass slower riders.  We do not say it too loudly or attempt to scare anyone but are trying to be courteous and not scare someone by just racing past them with no advance warning.
 
Some riders seem to appreciate the notice while others seem offended.
 
We also make a comment how many riders are behind us if riding in a group or we may say something like "One rider on your left".
 
Do riders in the club have a preference or is there any recommended procedure for notifying slower riders as you pass on the left?  Is it better to just pass someone or is it advisable to give notice that one or more riders are passing on the left?
 
I would be interested to hear if there is a consensus among club members.  I will say from experience that very seldom do pace line groups or single riders make any comment when passing.
 
Thanks,
 
Cliff Gionet
taxfirmone@gmail.com
 

 
 
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