Re: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Nick James 28 Jul 2024 21:36 UTC
Maik,
That's a great piece of detective work. I've had a play around with the
available astrometry using Bill Gray's Findorb and I agree that the
linkage looks secure.
This is a really interesting result for me since, as Richard mentioned,
Denning was the first BAA Comet Section director (1891-1893). That was
12 directors ago:
https://britastro.org/section_information_/comet-section-overview/history-of-the-baa-comet-section
D/1894 F1 was his fourth and final comet and it's great to have it back
again! The attached is a contemporary report from the JBAA. ACDC is
third director of the section, Andrew Crommelin.
I'm putting together a news item for the BAA website. It is not often
that a lost comet is found again, particularly one with such a
connection to the BAA.
Thanks again for the great work.
Nick.
On 28/07/2024 17:37, Maik Meyer wrote:
> Hello Richard,
>
>> O.K. Sam - I hadn’t picked up the fact that the spread of
>> observations during the 30-day arc was very poor. That explains it in
>> that the MPC and JPL ephemerides are different because of the actual
>> observations employed along with any weighting factors, etc. also differ.
>>
>> Given Maik’s linkage, when do you think we can expect the new orbit to
>> be published so that we can then plan an observing campaign to recover
>> the object?
>
> Personally, I think the linkage is safe. It would be a very big
> coincidence to have 2007 HE4 moving on a perfectly fitted arc of one
> month without systematic deviations which are usually a tell-tale sign
> of an incorrect link.
>
> I have also checked several logbooks of observatories for possible
> observations, especially of the favourable apparition of 1963/64, but
> was not successful. Elizabeth Roemer missed it by 2.3 degrees on 1964
> Feb 4, when she was imaging 59P/Kearns-Kwee. Denning would have been
> then maybe of magnitude 14-15.
>
> Unfortunately, 1964 not many surveys were operating, POSS I was already
> over. But it is not astonishing to miss such a faint comet, there are
> many which have been missed that were even brighter.
>
> I think the final decision will be the next perihelion. It is not
> perfect but also not awfully bad and it may reach 18 mag or brighter.
> Here's an orbit for this epoch.
>
> Orbital elements: D/1894 F1
> Perihelion 2025 Dec 4.06727 TT = 1:36:52 (JD 2461013.56727)
> A1: -3.83e-9 A2: 3.58e-10 AU/day^2
> Epoch 2025 Dec 1.0 TT = JDT 2461010.5 Earth MOID: 0.5820 Ju: 0.0606
> M 359.67526526 Ma: 0.0222 Meyer
> n 0.10587093 Peri. 109.41912
> a 4.42538997 Node 20.62196
> e 0.6471858 Incl. 4.02545 (J2000 ecliptic)
> P 9.31 H 15.0 G 0.15 q 1.56134008 Q 7.28943986
> 242 of 312 observations 1894 Mar. 27-2007 May 18; mean residual 3".28
>
> I think it would be good to publish an orbit for folks to be aware and
> try to recover it early.
>
> Regards
>
> Maik