Incubus? David Johnson (17 Feb 2026 04:13 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Sooby (17 Feb 2026 17:21 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? Jon Crocker (17 Feb 2026 18:16 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? Mike Robertson (17 Feb 2026 21:46 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? Tom Rogers (18 Feb 2026 02:57 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Sooby (18 Feb 2026 04:57 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? Terrence Fugate (18 Feb 2026 21:08 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Sooby (18 Feb 2026 23:44 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? Terrence Fugate (19 Feb 2026 02:36 UTC)
Cooling the Cosmic Computer (was: Incubus?) David Johnson (19 Feb 2026 15:20 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer (was: Incubus?) Terrence Fugate (20 Feb 2026 04:16 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer (was: Incubus?) David Johnson (20 Feb 2026 05:20 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer Jay P Hailey (20 Feb 2026 14:14 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer David Johnson (20 Feb 2026 23:34 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer (was: Incubus?) Jon Crocker (20 Feb 2026 04:16 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer (was: Incubus?) David Sooby (20 Feb 2026 17:09 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer (was: Incubus?) David Johnson (20 Feb 2026 23:57 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Cooling the Cosmic Computer Jay P Hailey (20 Feb 2026 14:14 UTC)
What happened to Merlin? (was: Cooling the Cosmic Computer) David Johnson (20 Feb 2026 23:35 UTC)
The Manhattan, er . . . Merlin Project (was: Incubus?) David Johnson (20 Feb 2026 04:37 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Sooby (20 Feb 2026 17:09 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Johnson (20 Feb 2026 23:46 UTC)
What happened to Merlin? (was: Incubus?) David Johnson (20 Feb 2026 23:46 UTC)
Re: [HBP] What happened to Merlin? Jay P Hailey (21 Feb 2026 04:08 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? dbernat (20 Feb 2026 04:16 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Johnson (18 Feb 2026 23:48 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? dbernat (20 Feb 2026 04:17 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? Gregg Levine (19 Feb 2026 00:06 UTC)
What happened to Merlin -- and Terra? (was: Incubus?) David Johnson (19 Feb 2026 00:52 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Johnson (18 Feb 2026 04:57 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Johnson (18 Feb 2026 04:50 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Sooby (18 Feb 2026 05:48 UTC)
What happened to Merlin -- and Terra? (was: Incubus?) David Johnson (19 Feb 2026 00:59 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? Tom Rogers (18 Feb 2026 02:56 UTC)
Re: [HBP] Incubus? David Johnson (18 Feb 2026 04:28 UTC)

Re: [HBP] What happened to Merlin? Jay P Hailey 21 Feb 2026 00:37 UTC


> I think we're sort of splitting hairs here -- and overlooking a bit of
> canon. What Merlin meant was that nothing remotely like the hegemonic
> "Terran Federation" would survive its collapse. But in /Space Viking/
> Beam also tells us -- via Harkaman (and the plot of the novel) -- that
> there were several "civilized worlds" (including Marduk and Aton and
> Baldur and Ishtar and IsisĀ and Odin) which managed to survive and
> prosper /after/ the collapse of the Federation and into the Viking era.

Too much all-or-nothing thinking about the post Federation collapse.

Event in 800AD or so, there were still major cities in Europe the
Vikings couldn't hope to raid and plunder.

These formed the nucleus of the recovery Medieval and then Renaissance
civilization that "succeeded" ancient Rome.

So the post Federation collapse was horrible and destructive, but it
wasn't absolute.  A few worlds kept the lights on.

And from those seeds, fertiziled by the Space Vikings, the Empire grew.